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June 5th, 2005, 09:33 PM
Beginner to VRD.
The fine tuning slider does not work as expected. I expect the further from the center position the faster the program cursor should move on the timeline. If I understand the documentation correctly the user can set the maximum time (1-5000) in seconds the slider will move the program cursor and then stop.
What would be really nice is to have it operate the same way as the shuttle control in the monitor window of Premiere Elements. If you move the shuttle control further from the center the timeline cursor will move faster with no limit on the timeline. This gives the user very precise control without being limited to the number of seconds a user can scroll the timeline.
June 5th, 2005, 09:56 PM
The fine tuning slider was designed to "zero in" on a cut point and is linear in nature.
We will pass on your suggestion of a variable speed shuttle control to the product devlopment people.
As an alternative for now, I could offer the suggestion of using keyboard shortcuts for navigation controls. The left, right, up, and down arrows with and without Shift & Control key modifiers as well as the page up and page down keys. They will auto repeat when held down according to Windows protocol and will give you variable speeds of quick scanning the file.
June 6th, 2005, 03:24 AM
While I am always happy to try alternatives, I'm not sure that a non-linear slider would work for me.
I tend to use it to slide through ads to get the approximate cut point and then use the slider with right click mouse to pick the desired point. I sometimes as well use the frame by frame button as well (I usually look for an 'I' frame if possible.
June 6th, 2005, 11:34 AM
Maybe make a radio button option to set the slider to linear/non-linear jog.
I guess it just takes time to get comfortable with the interface. It's different than most NLEs.
The page up/down left/right keys really help.
June 6th, 2005, 02:19 PM
imo it's okay the way it is, especially since i found out about the right mouse button over the slider :D
June 6th, 2005, 02:26 PM
Also try the up/down arrow keys with and without Shift and/or Ctrl modifier. They are a nice intermediate navigation method as well.!
Shift moves 2X, Ctrl moves 3X. Together they move 6X the normal navigation keys. You can also modify the keys behavior under the menu: Tools/Options.../Navigation
January 29th, 2006, 06:15 PM
I would like to repost the request for a jog/shuttle-style transport
control, as it would make editing work with VideoReDo just that
more efficient and the product even more great. (I have a Contour
In my professional work, I design and deploy TV-editing systems for
a living, and just about all other serious interfaces (NLEs and
VTRs) supports a jog/shuttle style transport control. It's almost
a de-facto standard for editors - mouse stuff is good for demos and
small jobs, but once you have many cuts to make, it's just easier
to use a dedicated control such as a jog/shuttle.
I realise that it may technically be non-trivial to include in the
program, as the shuttle really controls *playback speed* (forwards
or backwards), whereas the slider in VideoReDo is actually a frame
jumping and positioning device (skip X frames back or forth).
Shuttle control may therefore be a major undertaking to make the
playback engine support this, but it would just be darned useful
Otherwise a super program - really really good program, I am very
happy with the purchase of this.
January 29th, 2006, 07:07 PM
I have set up a couple of maps in the contour shuttle Pro for VideoReDo. You can actively flip back and forth between them or combine the best into 1 if you prefer.
Write to me at Support@VideoReDo.com and I'll send them to you.
January 29th, 2006, 08:35 PM
I was thinking something similar recently when editing a 12+hour ts file. I found it very hard to navigate it seemed very chunky stutery. Even after using the options for adjusting time scale. I found it near impossible to find the advertisments to edit them out of the recorded films. I don't use the keyboard controls as i am a point and click type user. Can something be done for this to make editing less of a pain, with big files.
January 30th, 2006, 12:17 AM
As an immediate workaround, have you considered splitting the files into 2-3 hour chunks and editing the smaller files?
I understand what you are saying. I have edited 24 hour files.
January 30th, 2006, 01:45 PM
One easy suggestion for me, when I work with VRD, I maximise the window. Yet the fine tuning slider does not get any bigger. I suggest this should maximise to the width of the window.
I think I too would probably prefer the jog/shuttle mechanism, but not with the fine tuning mouse slider. I may be missing something, but what about the wheel on the mouse. Might not that be a good way to do something like that.
Thanks for the tip on using the right mouse button on the fine tuner, I didn't know about that one.
As to large files, I often leave my capture card running over night to transfer from my (tivo-like) dvr. I then end up with 28 gig files, which vrd always seems to get wrong. The first 6 hours or so work ok, but then any click on the main time line slider beyond that point, and it goes whacky - i.e. If I click say right in the middle, it jumps to some random spot. It also thinks there are 19 hours recorded, when there are really only about 13 or so. If I do a quick stream fix, I usually end up with only 1/2 the file. Don't know what's up there. I have a pinacle dazzle 150 usb capture device.
January 30th, 2006, 02:19 PM
I think both ways to control the slider are good, depending on the time, the place, and what is more logical for the user.
I've found the only way for me, is to click on the navigation buttons.
I reset them to 10, 30, and 120 seconds.
And, I often just repeatedly hit the 30 second button, instead.
On the American TV shows I edit, there is no chance of missing a commercial when jumping forward in 2 minute increments.
They never come that close together, and the commercial breaks are generally more than two minutes long.
Last time I described this technique, someone in Europe said they had video with randomly placed and very short commercials, and couldn't work this way.
For fine tuning to the frame, the right arrow and left arrow keys are my friend.
January 30th, 2006, 03:12 PM
For fine tuning to the frame, the right arrow and left arrow keys are my friend.So they are, and to make them even friendlier I've assigned SHIFT > and SHIFT < to navigate to I frames. Sweet.
January 30th, 2006, 04:05 PM
If you examine the navigation controls in Tools>Options you can also set the functionality of the the mouse wheel from frames to 15 minutes.
January 30th, 2006, 06:15 PM
Pat splitting the files would make the editing process to long. Pat you must of missed me mentioning the options
Even after using the options for adjusting time scale.
Yes i do work with vrd at full screen it still does not make it any easier using the timeline sliders. It needs for the video to slip through fast and smooth on both sliders to be of any real use. Very useful for editing of very large files.
February 2nd, 2006, 08:17 AM
As to large files, I often leave my capture card running over night to transfer from my (tivo-like) dvr. I then end up with 28 gig files, which vrd always seems to get wrong. The first 6 hours or so work ok, but then any click on the main time line slider beyond that point, and it goes whacky - i.e. If I click say right in the middle, it jumps to some random spot. It also thinks there are 19 hours recorded, when there are really only about 13 or so. If I do a quick stream fix, I usually end up with only 1/2 the file. Don't know what's up there. I have a pinacle dazzle 150 usb capture device.What version of VideoReDo (Help>About) are you running? This should not be happening if you are using our latest releases.
February 2nd, 2006, 03:43 PM
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