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[zamarky1]

Hi Ya Dan

Finally loaded your app oday and got down to work. First thing i found was the last key you gave me was out of date ...just reregistered my email and got another and it works so no biggie ...but why do they go out of date if you dont use them...anyway other things to worry about....


o.k here goes : firstly after having played around with VRD i have to say this program is the best cuts editor i have used. It is so logical its amazing other programs are so awkward !! No more womble for me.....if i can solve a few basic problems.

File output. Bear in mind i have only played with this for an hour or two tonight before having to get back to the work at hand.....so far the files produced by VRD cant be seen by DVD LAB ?? i tried outputting as ES and then Mpeg. Niether file can be seen by DVDLAB. As well when i output as ES ,VRD is not producing an audio file. The video file is there no probs but no audio no matter what i do. As well the final output screen that comes up after the writing out to file is finnishe tells me it has i audio error but there are no audio packets ? the video info tells me it has written video frames but no audio frames ??

When i write out to mpeg there are noo audio errors and the file when opened by VRD plays back perfect with no errors and the audio is in perfect sync. So no probs there...except the only program that can see this Mpeg file that VRD outputs is ...VRD ??? is this right ?

If i take the VRD mpeg and run it through project X and demux it into ES i can import these files ( the project X ES output ones...) into DVDLAB without issue and it compiles and plays without issue.

So it seems VRD outpt for me has to be Mpeg2 and has to be run through project X for DVDLAB to be able to see them.


I am sure i have this wwrong somewhere, it just doesn't sound right to me.......where am i goin wrong ?


any pointers appreciated. Yes i did read thru the manual and tried a few things but no combination of switches applied/unapplied seems to make any diff...too many hours slipping by with no result so hope you can give me a lead on this.......



Again , great program , i love it and provided i can get my output into DVDLAB without issue i will register without a doubt.


One last thing ...why cant you open ES streams into VRD, My problem is if i output in ES i cant open the file to check for sync as DVDLAB has no audio playback and thus i have to compile to see if the sync wanders......thats a lot of steps and processing to go thru to see if sync is correct or not. How can i heck the output of VRD ES streams for sync before the lenghty compile part of the job ???


well plenty of questiions there


Thanks for your consideration of this


Regards

Mark

[DanR]

firstly after having played around with VRD i have to say this program is the best cuts editor i have used. It is so logical its amazing other programs are so awkward !! No more womble for me.....if i can solve a few basic problems. :D :D :D

so far the files produced by VRD cant be seen by DVD LABThis is VERY strange. As frequent visitors here know, DVDLab 1.3 is the program I use for 90% of my personal authoring functions. All material is edited with VideoReDo first. Most times I output to Elem stream to speed up the import into DVDLab. Never a problem. That being said, something wierd must be going on. When you save to ES you should be getting 2 files, .mpv and a .mp2/.ac3/.wav depending upon the audio CODEC used. Note: You won't get an audio ES unless your video ES output file name ends in a "v", like .mpv or m2v.

Questions:
1) Which Audio codec are you using (Tools>Show program info).

2) Which advanced stream options are active. Make sure the option to align to a word boundary is OFF. Its only meant for use by DigiTV users. Shouldn't matter for ES output anyway.

3) Which version of DVDLab are you using?

4) Which version of VideoReDo are you using (Help>About). You might want to try our latest beta build. You can download it at: ftp://videoredo:videoredo@ftp.drdsystems.com/Betas/

If the answer isn't obvious, then perhaps you could upload a small portion of your output file to upload site. I'll foward instructions if necessary.
We will get his problem solved.

Some Answers:
1) ES input support. This is a high priority item for an upcoming release.

2) Trial key expiration. If you need an extension of your trial key, send us an email to support@videoredo.com.

[bigdaddy]

Dan,

I'm using 236 and have no problem outputing ES. That part works perfectly.

However, I am having problems with audio/video sync using DVDlab. I've tried ES and mpg imports into DVDlab with no luck at all.

The mpg seems in perfect perfect sync when played in VRD or media player. Once DVDlab compiles the DVD the sync is off by a large margin. I would say at least 3 to 4 seconds at the end of a 2 hour video.

This particular video was recorded using a PVR-350. It also had many edits performed to it to get rid of commercials.

Can you suggest anything that might help me get things in sync?

[bigdaddy]

Wow! I just noticed that you have released new beta versions, you have been busy.

I'll have to try the new versions to see if that may have helped the problem.

I'll let you know.

This is why VRD is the best program of it's type, constant improvements.

Thanks!

[DanR]

What's strange about the original post is this quote: so far the files produced by VRD cant be seen by DVD LAB Haven't heard this one. Hopefully its just a setting.

Regarding sync. The bottom line is if your software plays in sync in VRD or any another software, VRD should be able to fix it so that it can be authored in sync. If the new build doesn't address the problem, then let me know and we will start working on it.

[Anonymous]

Hiya there Dan

Yup its totally bizarre. Sorry i should have told you the versions i am using etc........

o.k using build 238 of VRD , 1.4b2 of DVD Lab.

Just did a fresh install of XP professional SP1. Only thing diffent to my previous install is i am now running Acronis OS selector so at bootup i can boot into different installs of XP so i can run different codecs on different systems without pooching CCE etc......

What i mean by saying DVDLab cant see VRD output is when i go into DVDLab import files i have to select "all files" in the dialog box to see any files ( ie if i leave the import file type selected as vob,vro,mpa,ac3,mp2 etc no files can be seen)and when i select the files i can see after changing the file type to "all files" and try to import them into DVDlab , nothing happens. Ie the files do not get brought into DVDLab. This is true for both ES files (although VRD is only outputting a MPV file , no mpa file) and also on a mpeg file as output by VRD. If i take this same mpeg VRD file into project X and demux to ES these import inot DVDlab and compile without issue. Sync is perfect wih the project X demuxed files , although this could well be VRD getting the sync perfect and project X is actually doing nothing to snyc.......i dont know but in any case i am just letting you know there is no snyc problem once i finally get the file into DVDLab.

Anyway i am on a break at work just now , will give you the further info you require later tonight.

Cheers

Mark

[DanR]

Look forward to getting the update tonight. Where can I download DVDLab 1.4b2?

[Anonymous]

Hi Ya there Dan

As requested info :

Tools/show program info: Stream ID : xCO Bit Rate :256Kbps : Mpeg Layer : Layer 2 : Sampling Rate 48000 Khz

Advanced Stream Options : Resync - Write log file entries

Maximum Audio Frame Errors : 32000

OutPut Stream Paremeters :

Align Packet Data to word Boundry = Selected

OutPut Pts With each Video Frame = Selected


OutPut Pts pack Header with all packets = Selected

Program stram packet length = 2028


Hope that helps you pin point this one.


DVDLab 1.4b2 is downloadable from the media chance web site and also from videohelp.com and a few others. I also have the archive file and can upload the rar to you if you needs be.


This IS a strange one. Still love VRD anyway. So intutitive...just like everyone said.

Regards

Mark

[DanR]

Align Packet Data to word Boundry = Selected Try turninig this off. Don't know if this will make difference, but it should be OFF except for DigiTV users.

[bigdaddy]

No joy with 339. The video plays perfectly in VRD, but when I output the ES from VRD into DVDlab and compile the sound is ahead of the video by at least 2 to 3 seconds at the end of a 2 hour video.

I really don't think it is anything to do with VRD. I just don't know what to do to fix it. I think I need an idiots guide to authoring DVDs.

[DanR]

Here are some things to try:

1) Try the different multiplexers. In 1.3, I find the main multiplexor works just fine. At one time I had to use the relaxed mux in DVDLab, so you might want to give it a try.

2) Are you sure Movie Factory compatability is OFF on Tools>Options>General?

3) Try a different authoring program just to be sure it isn't VRD. I suggest TMPGenc DVD.

4) When you load your ES streams in DVDLab, are the time signatures in the asset box the same?

5) Have DVDLab do a GOP fix on the VRD ES video stream.

This is all I can think of for now :)

[bigdaddy]

Thanks for the help.

To follow up:

I tried to author the same video in Ulead movie workshop and it worked perfectly, no sync issues at all.

It appears that DVDlab is doing something to the ES streams to screw it up.

The audio and video streams have the same length.

When outputing ES from VRD for DVDlab the movie factory setting is deselected.

[DanR]

Did you try the relaxes multiplexor in DVDLab?

[bigdaddy]

I haven't yet, but I will tonight when I get home.

[Anonymous]

Hi There Dan

Have loaded build 239. No Joy.

Same problem as before. No matter what i select/deslect in any set up option this problem persists.

If i output to mpeg stream and run through project x and demux to elementry streams its all o.k.

However the big thing that drew me to VRD was the ES output as like you , i thought this would be a big time saver to be able to export as ES so i could open in DVDLab without further processing ( at that stage) ....but sadly DVDLab cant see your native ES output......


Any ideas ?

As well after loading 239 i now get 1 audio error on mpeg output that i was not getting before. The sync before it is pushed thru project x seems to be ever so slightly off ..but its so close i think i am imagining it...but then every now and then i can see it....so its there but ever so slight.

Well this is not stopping me form using VRD and i have a HUGE backlog of footage to trim up so without further ado i'm gunna get down to work and get through it. Should be a pretty nice workout for VRD. I'll let you know the progress.


regards

Mark

[DanR]

Mark, You're going to have to upload some ES data to our FTP site: ftp://videoredo:videoredo@ftp.drdsystems.com/uploads/

Here's the best thing to do. Using the VRD Tools>Trim function create a 10 MB file of the 1st part of your program. Don't worry about the edits. Then load this 10MB file into VRD and just output the whole thing to an audio and video ES. Make sure DVDLab won't load them, and the upload all 3 files to our site.

Post or email when you're done. I'll look at it shortly after.

[Anonymous]

Hi Ya Dan


O.K , some interesting vodoo going on here.

First off i had to go back to build 238. Just had too many audio errors and the sync was a lot worse on a long clip by the end of the clip on build 239

So i went back to 238. This is where it gets interesting........

I edited a capture in 238. I output this as a mpeg and then brought this mpeg back into VRd to check sync. to get the mpeg back into VRD i had to select all files in the file selection dialog box as even VRD cant see its own files when the file selection is set to "Mpeg program streams". So as i say i just select all files and VRD can see all files in the directory...


So i brought this into VRD to check sync. I noticed i gaffed the front of the edit by leaving about 1.5 seconds of junk in front of my footage which i didn't want there. So i reoutput the clip. That is the mpeg that was created from the first edit session of the original capture footagewas output again with the new edits included. This time however VRD output mpeg footage that could be seen by VRD with file type set to "Mpeg program Streams". hmmmmm...........

So i was checking it and all appeared fine...untill the very end of the clip where i found about a half second of junk ( its very late and i'm tired....well thats my excuse). So ..yup you guessed it i reloaded this mpeg output ( now the 2nd generation) and ran it through VRD again making the appropriate edits at the end. I then output the video by using the save as button. Only this time i was too quick off the mark and quickly selected a directory and hit enter....what i did't realise untill the outputting ended and i checked the file was i had left the output type selected as ES.....so i found TWO files...an MPV and a audio file...previously VRD was not outputting two files when the ES option was selected. It only did this after running the first VRD output back thru VRD again and saved as an Mpeg and then running this through again and saving hte output as ES. So i checked DVDLab and its perfect. !!!! DVDLab see's it and imports it fine and whats more compiles the video and outputs it perfect. The sync is also spot on ???!!!


What on earth is going on ? Very strange.......i swear i was very sober through all this and i haven't lit up in ages.....:-))


I read your post about uploading and all but i am very VERY tired and i have an early start so i gotta hit the sack. But i will re-read your instructions when i get home tomorrow and upload then. i think it would be useful to giv eyou footage from all stages of what i did tonight. How do i give you some footage of each run through VRD ? bear in mind its all been output at the endof each stage....


Well leave it there for tonight , i'm bushed.....


Check you tomorrow,,,


regards


Mark

[DanR]

Mark, Obviously, this is how it supposed to work. When you weren't getting the audio file, what filename were you saving the ES video as?

Very strange.......i swear i was very sober through all this and i haven't lit up in agesEditing video while under the influence is not recommend :oops:

[Anonymous]

Hi Ya dan


yeah i also noticed that..........but i tell ya creativity can SOAR....

Let me go through everything again. When you say what filename was i saving Es as , what do you mean ? Hmm gotta go and fire up VRD now to check how it saves ES files. All i did was bring in a clip , edit and save as the same file name in a new directory. I thought it got a file extension name setup by VRD ?


Will get back


Mark

[DanR]

Mark,

When you save a file in VRD the default type is .mpg which is an MPEG2 program stream. You can change it ES streams by either (1) changing the filetype in the 2nd combo box in the save file dialog, or, (2) selecting "Default to Elem streams" in Tools>Options>General. If you save to ES the default file type is .mpv and audio will be .mp2, .ac3 or .wav depending upon the audio type.

However, if you save to ES and change the video file type to anything that doens't end in a 'v', then the video will be saved but the audio won't be. This is a feature (maybe not a great one, but a feature nonetheless).

That's all I meant. :)

[Anonymous]

Hi Dan

O.k , you got me here. I've loked at the file save as dialog box. When i select save as ES it tells me it will save as *mpv AND *mpa. I dont see where you would change the file extension . You have three choices, Mpeg , ES or all files....i have output as ES selected so it automatically selects ES as i want to take the clips straight into DVDLab.


Am i missing something here ? if i select ES as the file tye output why would i change it to anyting else then what VRD sets the file extension too ? an how would you do that anyway ?


REGARDS

Mark

[DanR]

Mark, You could type in a different extension and it will accept it. But, since you're not, then something else is going on.

Why don't you upload a short clip (10 MB) to our ftp site and I'll try and duplicate what is happening with your file.