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kira13
November 4th, 2007, 02:27 PM
Now that I can finally transfer shows from my Series 3 TiVo, I have started copying the shows I want to archive over to my computer and am now trying to edit/author them to DVD with my new TVSuite. But I apparently recorded one of the shows (CSI, in case it matters, which I doubt) in SD either before we got our HD package from our cable co. or by accident. Now I am trying to put it on a DVD with an HD episode (because I record 2 hr.-long episodes per DVD, and I have no other SD episodes).

I used the option to convert the 4:3 clip to 16:9 with pillarboxing on my first try. I set everything up to remove commercials in each clip, adding the output to the DVD list without saving the file, and writing straight to DVD. The DVD has issues, so I tried again, this time saving each episode's edits as a separate file, then adding each of those files to the DVD list, then writing to a folder only. When I checked the output by playing the VOBs from the folder, I realized that the 4:3 episode was squished horizontally; the pillarboxes are too wide and the video area is almost square. Also, the pillarboxes are green, not black. It was this way as well on the DVD, but I thought perhaps it had been a problem of writing straight to the DVD.

So I tried again. I ran the HD episode thru QuickStream Fix (only because I had noticed sync issues in the output complete box), and I tried saving the SD episode as a 16:9 DVD by itself (to folder only) to rule out problems with trying to edit both to be compliant with each other as well as DVD standards. (I figured I could then re-combine the VOBs and save the output as an MPG again, only it would already be 16:9.) I checked the cropping screen, and the pillarboxes looked fine; they were black, like I expected, and the video looked like it really was 4:3. Nevertheless, the output still turned out just like the previous tries, with green pillarboxes that were too wide and video that was nearly square.

At this point, I gave up and moved on to two more HD episodes until I could find out what's going wrong. Am I missing some setting(s) somewhere, or is there a problem in the software? Also, I looked for options for converting a 4:3 video to a 16:9 pillarboxed video in the same format (i.e. MPG to MPG), but found none. I don't know if others would find such a thing useful; my only use for it is to be able to save output at every step of the way to ensure quality, but if the authoring works just fine without resorting to that, I wouldn't need it.

Any ideas?

Thanks, Kira

zaphod7501
November 4th, 2007, 03:32 PM
Basically, you can't combine mixed resolution, aspect ratios, or audio formats within a single titleset, which is the DVD engine that VRD uses. You might want to read some of the posts on multiple VTS or titlesets for more insight on the issue. The things you've been doing are tricking the authoring to allow the files, but can't really do it right, if I understand what is happening correctly.

phd
November 4th, 2007, 07:38 PM
CHeck your version. Help>about
Make sure it is 544

If not download it here:
http://www.videoredo.com/TVSUpgrade/DownloadTVS.htm

Redboy
November 4th, 2007, 09:53 PM
CHeck your version. Help>about
Make sure it is 544

If not download it here:
http://www.videoredo.com/TVSUpgrade/DownloadTVS.htm

Actually it twist for me.

Well mine 16:9 + 4:3 picture to crop 4:3 Pillar Box but its SQUISH

Wrong here...please go back like before

544 = Bad :mad:

540d = Good

phd
November 5th, 2007, 06:29 AM
You are right. It is a bit squished.

kira13
November 5th, 2007, 12:40 PM
CHeck your version. Help>about
Make sure it is 544

If not download it here:
http://www.videoredo.com/TVSUpgrade/DownloadTVS.htm

Ah, my version was 540. I didn't realize there was a new version; I tried to look for updates within VideoReDo TVSuite, but it told me I was up-to-date. Didn't think to just try re-downloading it. <blush>

Okay, I will try again with 544.

By the way, I am really enjoying this new version, other than that one problem. :)

kira13
November 5th, 2007, 12:50 PM
Basically, you can't combine mixed resolution, aspect ratios, or audio formats within a single titleset, which is the DVD engine that VRD uses. You might want to read some of the posts on multiple VTS or titlesets for more insight on the issue. The things you've been doing are tricking the authoring to allow the files, but can't really do it right, if I understand what is happening correctly.

Thanks for the info. I will check into that as well. But my problem with the almost-square 4:3 video and the green pillarboxes was there even when I tried to write *only* the 4:3 episode to a 16:9 DVD *by itself*. I tried to explain that above, but perhaps didn't make myself entirely clear.

Also, and this is more out of curiosity, isn't the recoding that VideoReDo TVS does supposed to make both clips the same aspect ratio, resolution, and audio format? Maybe I've misunderstood how it works. Based on the settings I saw in VRD TVS, it was recoding both videos to be 16:9, 720x480, and MPEG2 audio.

Thanks, Kira

phd
November 5th, 2007, 07:51 PM
The green pillarboxes has been fixed with 544. THe default is black (but you can choose green if you prefer.)

If you are combining 4:3 and 16:9 into one DVD something will have to be reencoded for the A/R to match.

kira13
November 8th, 2007, 12:51 PM
Okay, I have tried 544 now and it is much better. :) Still a little squished, as noted by Redboy, but better than it was and now watchable.

Ironically, I just found another SD episode of CSI on my old TiVo; thought I had recorded them all already. <sigh> So I'll either have to record another mismatched pair or trash the DVD I just burned and record the two SD episodes together and the HD episode with the next HD episode I get. Choices, choices....

Thanks again for all the info, everyone!

Kira