Cursor Clock window option - absolute or relative

jaydear

Member
After having set an In point I would often find it very useful to have the Cursor Clock change from displaying the absolute time to displaying the time relative to the In point. Perhaps this could be made an option in the Navigation settings or maybe it could be made so that clicking on the Cursor Clock would toggle Absolute - Relative time. I suggest that the colour of the numerals should change to say, green, when in Relative mode.
 

jaydear

Member
That's good, but I'd like to see how far I have scrubbed after entering an In point. I want some time feedback.
 

Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
You know the start point is listed over under the left hand side of the navbar right? Can't you just do some quick math and see how far you are? Or do you need some precise number like frames or seconds?
 

jaydear

Member
Yes Dan, I know the start point is displayed there. I already do rough mental arithmetic while I'm scrubbing, by counting my Navigation "button movements" which I have set to easily countable periods. However, it's still hard to locate ads quite often so a relative display with MM:SS would be a HUGE help to quickly see how far you've gone after marking-in and a nice little refinement of the user interface. And I know you'll ask, so yes, I also know about the Ad Detective but tune it as much as I can, I find it gives more work undoing erroneous cuts than just doing it manually in the first place. Some of our broadcasters make program-to-ad and ad-to-program fades either non-existent or only a couple of frames long. Fades-to-black within programs are usually much longer. They also do things like freezing the video and then fading which gives a visible jerk in the edited program and sometimes huge audible clicks all of which have to be removed anyway.
 

Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
I'm still not quite understanding the purpose though. I understand that you want the timecode display to show the offset from the marked in point, rather then the start of the file, but I don't understand how knowing that info makes it any easier to mark the commercials. :confused:

Here is how I edit my own videos, without ad scan.

First I use the main slider to slowly scrub through the video until I see a commercial. Then I use the fine tune slider to get as close to the transition point as possible. (don't need to be perfect) Then I use the arrow keys to find the exact frame I want to place the cut on. (hint: set the Shift+arrow to go to next I frame, most transitions happen on/near I frames) Set the start point. Now use the fine tune slider again to find the end of the commercial. Use arrow keys to refine. Set the end point. Cut.

I can do an entire show like this in less then 2 minutes. No mental math needed because it's all visual.
 

jaydear

Member
First I use the main slider to slowly scrub through the video until I see a commercial...
Yes, I get all that, been doing it a long time too - I've designed, set up, maintained and staffed pro video edit suites, tape duplication systems and QC stations since 1978 - I wish we'd had all this great video and audio software and fast PC's back then! Semi-retired now, but still a designer and video / electronics / photography hobbyist.

Anyway, when a recording is big, say 8 hours, everything flies past too quick with the slider and it's easy to miss things. I step through with the SHIFT up/down (120 secs), CTL up/down (21 secs) and just up/down (3 secs) keys. SHIFT + up/down gives me 2 minute steps which I can count mentally. If I go past the expected location I then hunt with the fine tune slider (range 30 secs) and scroll wheel (1 frame). BTW I don't use Zoom F7/F8 as I feel it breaks the 'flow' for me. I too can edit a show well inside two minutes.

Side issue: Where there is a potentially BIG slowdown with all this is when the recorded streams occasionally have problems that cause the cursor to jump unpredictably. I observe two main disruptive effects now and then... 1. the cursor will jump back to the head of the file, or 2. it is not possible to move one frame at a time in both directions, e.g. with the scroll wheel only moving one click at a time fwd or back: e.g. 1 frame forward, 3 frames backwards. VRD then sometimes suggests doing a Quickstream fix, but often crashes if tried, only works sometimes. I've found TS-Doctor can straighten out such problems, but it is a poor editor, so the file has to go back to VRD or MVW anyway for frame accurate editing, fades, etc. as may be required.

All I'm saying is: Having an option to put the relative cursor position in the Cursor Clock window would probably not be a big deal to do and would actually put some useful information where you can see it whilst scrubbing and, I think, add a useful extra feature.
 
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