New Save dialog

jmannheim

New member
(Double) ENTER works even when the default active element is filename box, what are you talking about? Do you have the latest beta version?
I just downloaded v6.60.10.816 and can still reproduce the problem.

Below is the dialog box that comes up when you press control-S. Pressing OK any number of times does nothing while focus remains on "Output File" (the default)

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jmc

Active member
Try Tools>Options>"General parameters">"On save, auto open 'Select File' "

Perhaps that will function in a better way.
 

Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
Often I have to search the computer, to find where the output file went.
In both V5 and V6, that behaviour has been driving me up the wall.
While I might occasionally want to choose a destination for "Save", I wish I could default it to go to my source file's project folder like the .prj file does.

(EDIT: I've just discovered release build 816a, maybe the problem was fixed?)
(EDIT: Spoke too soon, I was mistaken. In 816a the default save can still end up in funny places like Windows Document library (???).
Instead It should, like the .prj file, default to the project folder I've created to accommodate the source file, the .prj file, and various other intermediate files.

Please?
TobyW
Typically saving to the same location as the source is the worst possible choice as far as performance. For smart edit performance it's best to have the source and destination on different physical drives as read/write throughput is the biggest limiting factor.

That being said it should remember the last save location. The only time it reverts to something weird like the My Doc folder is when the last used folder no longer exists.
 

tobyW

Member
Typically saving to the same location as the source is the worst possible choice as far as performance. For smart edit performance it's best to have the source and destination on different physical drives as read/write throughput is the biggest limiting factor.
Thanks Dan, I find it's not a problem since I moved to using SSD for the various intermediate stages of my workflow. My HDD is now for mass storage only.

That being said it should remember the last save location. The only time it reverts to something weird like the My Doc folder is when the last used folder no longer exists.
Usually I have many video editing projects on my PC at once, at various stages of completion or investigation. To manage these, I keep each project's files in that project's individual workspace folder.

I often work on multiple projects at once, such as editing one while ad-scanning two others, so I am constantly switching between projects. On completing a project, I usually delete its workspace.

In that context, the global "Last Save Location" is usually either the wrong project workspace folder, or a deleted folder.

That's why, when I click Save in any given instance of VRD, I would prefer it to default to the location of that instance's currently loaded video file.

Is there already a setting somewhere, that I've missed?
 

Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
The deleted folder is why it reverts to the documents folder. If the last used folder doesn’t exist it has to go somewhere. There is not a setting for that though, it's hard coded to go to the docs folder if the last used doesn’t exist.

I'll consider adding an option in the future.
 

tobyW

Member
Thanks Dan203, but please consider the following.

I've noticed the "General Parameters" dialog offers a "Default project folder" setting that can be set to "Source video folder". So far so good, but read on...

Quote from Help...
Default Project Folder: Changes the preferred default save location of project (VPrj) files as oppposed to video files. Options include source video folder, destination video folder, or the last saved project location.

My criticism is that it only applies to the VPrj file, not video files.

This makes no sense! Surely the whole point of a project folder is to be a workspace, as a default destination for not only the VPrj file but also all other files of the project.

Cheers,
tobyW
 

Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
Like I said ideally you'd use a different drive than the source for the save. So I'm not sure we want to promote an option that would encourage saving to the same folder as the source.

But I can maybe look at adding an option somewhere that could override using My Docs if the last used folder doesn’t exist.
 

tobyW

Member
In my view, saving to a different drive is optimal only for dinosaur systems that only have mechanical drives. The world has moved on: SSD's are becoming commonplace, relegating the hard disk to bulk storage.

Saving within a workspace on an SSD has no significant performance penalty. Whereas if you insist on saving from an SSD workspace to a separate HDD, you then need to move the resulting file from the HDD back to the workspace on the SSD, before you start the next step in your workflow. Go for coffee!

I expect there are plenty of users in both of these camps, and both kinds need to be accommodated.

Also I repeat what I said earlier:
I often work on multiple projects at once, such as editing one while ad-scanning two others, so I am constantly switching between projects. Therefore the global "Last Save Location" is usually the wrong project workspace folder if not a deleted folder. So frustrating, it drives me nuts!

Perhaps at least a "Manual Parameter" to enable saving to the source folder?
 

Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
Even with SSD it's still better to save to a different drive. Smart edit for the most part is completely I/O bound.

I'll look at a manual option.
 

tobyW

Member
Dan203, While you are in the vein of "Last Save Location", I've just tripped over a similar defect in saving the project file.

I will set Options ->GeneralParameters->DefaultProjectFolder to be "Source video folder".

BUT this doesn't work if I have loaded multiple video sources from separate folders, into separate VRD instances.

Instead, "Save project" from any one instance will actually default to the source folder of the file most recently opened in any of the instances.

(This was in V6.60.10.816, also V5.4.84.771)
 

Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
Dan203, While you are in the vein of "Last Save Location", I've just tripped over a similar defect in saving the project file.

I will set Options ->GeneralParameters->DefaultProjectFolder to be "Source video folder".

BUT this doesn't work if I have loaded multiple video sources from separate folders, into separate VRD instances.

Instead, "Save project" from any one instance will actually default to the source folder of the file most recently opened in any of the instances.

(This was in V6.60.10.816, also V5.4.84.771)
Unfortunately that is by design. We store the value in a registry key. All instances of VRD use the same registry section. So the most recent one will be the one that last updated that value. Not sure there is an easy way to fix that.
 
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