Output profile editor - cropping limited to 100 pixels?

jhyler

New member
Version 6.62.4.830. I just had need to create a new output profile, and when I did I found I could not enter values for left/right/top/bottom crop in excess of 100. In order to get what I needed, I had to save the profile without the cropping values I needed and then go back and edit the xml profile file manually. That worked.

When saving a video, I can enter crop values well in excess of 100. Why can't I create a profile with values greater than 100?
 
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Danr

Administrator
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You're right, no idea why that's happening. Dan203 will have to follow-up on this when he returns from vacation next week. In the meantime, when you save, edit the cropping values there and check the "save as new profile" checkbox. For some reason the crop settings in the save dialog don't have this restriction.
 

Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
This is intentional. When editing a profile without a video loaded we have no idea what the final output video size will be. So we have to set some sort of artificial limit. I don't want the crop to exceed the video resolution so I set it to 100, making the max crop 200 as that seems to be guaranteed not to exceed even the smallest videos which are at least 240 pixels tall.

If you need higher numbers edit the profile while in Save and check the box to save as a new profile.
 

jhyler

New member
Hmmm. It seems to me that even when editing an existing profile while in Save you have no idea what will be the sizes of the next videos (after the current one) the profile will eventually be applied to, so you have no guarantee that the crop won't exceed their resolutions. Therefore the software has to be prepared to deal with that case anyway, and as a result I'm not sure what an artificial limit actually accomplishes. But your understanding of the situation is obviously deeper than mine and since I have a workaround I'm fine with it.

I would suggest that a mention of this be added to the help file, though.
 

Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
I realize it's kind of an arbitrary metric. But in reality this limit has existed since v4 and you're the first person to mention it, so it's not something most people run into. Cropping over 100 pixels off a video is very unusual. I think the only reason I allowed it to go higher when saving is because there is a visualization which shows you what the resulting video will look like.

How high were you trying to go?
 

jhyler

New member
I was taking off pillar boxes, so was taking 160 off left and right. But I had very particular needs for this profile and so decided to create it from scratch rather than editing any existing profile so I would be completely sure of its exact specification. Agree it's an unusual thing for me (or anyone) to do.
 

Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
I'll reconsider the limit. It's just an arbitrary number I settled on back when VRD was still mostly just processing SD content. In this day and age of 4k maybe that's not enough. It's a simple change so as long as it doesn't trigger any other issues I'll slip it in.
 

tobyW

Member
Comment: I guess the 100 limit has been overtaken by broadcasters' technology. Hence I too am creating profiles for future use, and I do crop more than 100 pixels. For example:-

(1) Post-processing profiles to mask out annoying dynamic logos in the bottom 125 (or so) pixels.

(2) Post-processing profiles to mask out trailers etc surrounding rolling credits (in development).

Currently with TV Suite V6 this involves editing OutputProfiles6.OP.xml by hand, as described by TimA-C back on March 11 2016, in a glenpinn thread.
 

Danr

Administrator
Staff member
You don't have to edit the profiles by hand. Modify the crop using the options in the file save dialog and save to a new profile there.
 
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