Problem with TVSuite V.6 and Vegas Pro V.18

[flyer201]

Hello,

I have a very frustrating problem. I have a finished master file that opens without issue in both Vegas V.13 and V.18 I needed to make a minor change in one section and did not want to render the entire project again, so I just rendered the changed section and then I used VidoReDo to insert the small change. VideReDo inserted the change without re-rendering anything and the resultant file will open without issue in all my media players, smart tv, and Vegas V.13. If I open the file in V.18 it crashes even without putting the video in the timeline. In the timeline If I attempt to play the video it will not play and it looks like the frame counter freezes on 1 and cannot seek or keep up with the playing video. It will attempt to play for a few seconds and then crashes the program.

As I said, the original file (before putting in the insert) plays fine in V.18. If I cut out a section of that video with VideReDo the cut section also plays fine. However, the same experiment using the video with the insert (and this is a cut taken before the insert) will not play in V.18. I find this incredibly odd. On the one hand VideReDo is able to work properly with the original file, but on the other, not the modified file. I even tried demuxing the file, and remuxing with mkvtoolnix, then converting back to mp4 using avidemux. Still will not open in Vegas V.18, but fine in V.13 and all players.

Any ideas greatly appreciated!

Here are two batches of information from MediaInfo:

General
Opens in V.18
Complete name : G:\Lue-final.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size : 2.40 GiB
Duration : 17 min 30 s
Overall bit rate : 19.6 Mb/s
Writing application : VideoReDo (Lavf56.25.101)

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L4.2
Format settings : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 2 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 17 min 30 s
Bit rate : 19.3 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.372
Stream size : 2.36 GiB (98%)
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Codec configuration box : avcC

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC LC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID : mp4a-40-2
Duration : 17 min 30 s
Duration_LastFrame : -21 ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 317 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel layout : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 39.8 MiB (2%)
Language : English
Default : Yes
Alternate group : 1


Will not open in V.18

General
Complete name : C:\Users\Peter\Desktop\TEST\Lue-Final_05.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size : 2.42 GiB
Duration : 17 min 49 s
Overall bit rate mode : Variable
Overall bit rate : 19.4 Mb/s
Writing application : VideoReDo (Lavf56.25.101)

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : Main@L4
Format settings : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 4 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 17 min 49 s
Bit rate mode : Variable
Bit rate : 19.1 Mb/s
Maximum bit rate : 24.0 Mb/s
Width : 1 920 pixels
Height : 1 080 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 25.000 FPS
Standard : PAL
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.368
Stream size : 2.38 GiB (98%)
Color range : Limited
Color primaries : BT.709
Transfer characteristics : BT.709
Matrix coefficients : BT.709
Menus : 3
Codec configuration box : avcC

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC LC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID : mp4a-40-2
Duration : 17 min 49 s
Duration_LastFrame : -21 ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 315 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel layout : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 40.2 MiB (2%)
Language : English
Default : Yes
Alternate group : 1
Menus : 3

Menu #1
ID : 3
Codec ID : txet
Duration : 17 min 49 s
Language : English
Bit rate mode : CBR
Menu For : 1,2
Duration_FirstFrame : 720840
Bit rate mode : Constant

Menu #2
00:00:00.000 : Chapter 1
00:14:55.400 : Chapter 2

 

[Winnewup]

Hello,
maybe you rendered the small section not exactly like the original. If I take a look at the media info, I find two different format profiles: High@L4.2 and Main@L4. This "lttle" change inside a video can trigger some programs to display pixelation at the cutpoint or even to crash. Vegas will analyse the whole file when you open it; maybe it detects the change and cannot handle it.
You can find the profile setting in the advanced section in the output dialog of VRD.

The joiner of VRD doesn't detect the different format profiles ... so the files with different profile will join without a recoding ... this is one of the few bugs left in VRD,

I had this problem some time ago with VLC that crashed at cutpoint. Dan helped me find the error.

Regards
Frank

 

[musicvid]

Did you run your files through Quickstream Fix first? I use VRD6 with Vegas Pro 18 several times each week, and issues are rare, unless there are stream errors that must be fixed first with Quickstream Fix.

 

[jmc]

I believe that Dan has mentioned that VRD may not use EVERY single command line option that another program has used.
And so the possible problems with some other program trying to work with the new file.