technisat HD-S2 output (ts file) no longer usable as HD-S2 input after VRD processing

pippus

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The digital satellite receiver “technisat HD-S2” outputs ts files. If I process these in VRD and ouput the result as ts again, my HD-S2 will play the sound but no video. Could you point me to the critial value(s) in my settings that could be responsible for the missing video?
 

Anole

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The digital satellite receiver “technisat HD-S2” outputs ts files. If I process these in VRD and ouput the result as ts again, my HD-S2 will play the sound but no video. Could you point me to the critial value(s) in my settings that could be responsible for the missing video?
You might begin by listing the info about your particular file.
Either Ctrl-L in Video Redo, or use MediaInfo (put into text mode)
and copy either to your next post. ;)

Or just look at the info before and after editing, and you may see something yourself.

Should we have your two threads moved over to ...
Set-Top Box (TiVo, Topfield, Humax, Siemens...) ?
 

pippus

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I wonder whether the VRD info is meaningful enough. The info before and after VRD processing differs only in two lines. The below listing is the one after, where the differing lines are highlighted. At the end of the two lines are the values before VRD processing in red.

After trimming by VRD

File Name: F:\- Sammelordner Datensicherung (Grafik)\___Test Ergebnisse\09.12.2008 00_04 Christmas Concert.ts
File Size: 26098724 ( 0.02 GB ) 562817285 ( 0.52 GB )
Program Duration: 00:01:00.00 01:04:08.06
File Type: TS Stream
Encoding: MPEG2
Video stream Id: 32 (x20)
Encoding Dimensions: 480 x 576
Display Size: 480 x 576
Aspect Ratio: 4:3
Frame Rate: 25.00 FPS
Bit Rate: 3.100 Mbps
VBV_Buffer: 224 KB
Profile: Main@Main
Progressive: Prog or Int
Chroma: 4:2:0
Audio Format: Layer 2
Audio Stream Id: 33 (x21)
Audio Bit Rate: 192 Kbps
Audio Sampling Rate: 48000 Hz
TS Mux Rate (bps): 0


The MediaInfo is much more detailed. You see below only the lines that are differing. Column 2 shows the values before and Column 3 those after VRD processing.



As concerns your final question: yes, I think we should have my two threads moved over to Set-Top Box (TiVo, Topfield, Humax, Siemens...).
 

pippus

New member
You might begin by listing the info about your particular file.
Either Ctrl-L in Video Redo, or use MediaInfo (put into text mode)
and copy either to your next post.

Or just look at the info before and after editing, and you may see something yourself.

Should we have your two threads moved over to ...
Set-Top Box (TiVo, Topfield, Humax, Siemens...) ?

Hello Anole,
I copied VRD info and MediaInfo to my last posting (#3) as you recommended and I can of course see some differences between the original file and the one after VRD processing. But they do not tell me much. Could you tell me please which setting I would have to change in order to see the video when playing back the output ts file on my technisat HD S2. As I said I can only hear the audio.
 

pippus

New member
Hi,
comments by other experts than Anole would be equally highly welcome. It took me some effort to set up the table of MediaInfo in posting #3 (to present only the differences of the ts file prior to and after VRD editing). Could you please just give me a hint as to which parameters to play with in order for my HD-S2 to possibly present the video on the TV screen?
regards, pippus
 

Danr

Administrator
Staff member
I don't know if this will work, but give it a try:

If you are using Plus or TVS V3, then on the Tools>Options>Transport page, there's a checkbox for "GeoSat Pro/Conaxsat header". Check this and then save to a .ts file.

In TVS V4, you can either use the global settings on the Tools>Options>Transport page, or over ride a specific profile to have this setting enabled.
 

pippus

New member
I use VRD Plus, found the "GeoSat Pro/Conaxsat header" setting and checked it. Unfortunately the result was negative. I had again the sound only. What else could I try in addition or alternatively?
 

ToppyMPS

Member
Is VRD showing any error messages?

Try running file through QuickStream Fix first (Tools>Quickstream fix)

VRD output is only 1 minute?

Have a look at the VRD log. Help > Display VideoReDo.log does that show any errors?

Can you try a different file
 

pippus

New member
Is VRD showing any error messages?

a) Try running file through QuickStream Fix first (Tools>Quickstream fix)

b) VRD output is only 1 minute?

c) Have a look at the VRD log. Help > Display VideoReDo.log does that show any errors?

d) Can you try a different file

Re d)
I have taken a different file for my new tests.

Re b)
The output file in my last tests were only 1 minute because then my VRD Plus trial key had expired, which limits the VRD output to 1 minute. In the meantime I purchased a key (the new tests were run with the puchased version).

Re a)
I tried both, applying QSF to the input file and to the file after cutting it in VRD (although I think you advised me to apply it to the input file).

Re c)
The log file has a very poor layout. The VRD developers should invest some work there. I was not able with my poor beginner’s knowledge to find the limits of the different jobs. However, I detected the following recurring messages:
“SBE file signature not found”
“Unable to find a PAT table in 63827 packets”.

By the way, what is “SBE”? I did not find the definition neither in Google nor in this Forum.



Some remarks on the tests that I did:

I let VRD open a new ts file as it came from my HD-S2 (disregarding the control files with the extensions MKS, DESC and REC), applied to it any combination of the two settings proposed by DanR in #7 and ToppyMPS in #9 (i.e. "GeoSat Pro/Conaxsat header" and “QuickStream Fix”), cut a section out of it and saved it as “ts”.

The 4 resulting files when played back on my HD-S2 produced the audio but not the video.

If I compare this with my Topield PVR 5000 experience, this runs smooth and successfully. I take a rec file from my Toppy, open it in VRD, do not change any parameters, cut a section out of it and save this as a rec file. This rec file when played back on the Toppy will produce the audio as well as the video.

Where is the difference?
 
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pippus

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@toppyMPS
Are you still watching this thread? I answered your #9 in my last post and would like to know what you think of that answer (especially wrt "re c)").

In my parallel thread "Topfield output (rec file) no longer usable as Topfield input after VRD processing" I reported a successful solution to the problem by changing my output files after VRD processing in the save dialog in accordance with the pdf file attached there.

The same procedings in the HD-S2 case have not succeeded. What else can I do here? Where is the significant difference between the ts and the rec case? Is it simply because the developers have invested some additional effort in the rec processing?
 

ToppyMPS

Member
From a google search of the technisat HD-S2 it appears that the files off this box are encrypted.

If this is the case, VRD cannot help you as it can't decrypt the file.

I can't find a post anywhere of anybody successfully editing a file from this box.

You could try searching the technisat HD-S2 on German forums may produce more information
 

Danr

Administrator
Staff member
@pippus, have you uploaded a sample of the technisat HD-S2 for us to check out? If there's no PAT/PMT in the file, then perhaps that's what the technisat is expecting in which case we don't have an option to create TS files in that format as it's not typically a valid format for any standard device.
 

pippus

New member
@TF5000UserDE


Thank you for referring me to these FAQ. I usually prefer to seek advice in forums rather than in technisat guidance material, which (the latter) in general I find less useful. But in this special case the statements about the mks files convinced me that VideoReDo programmers would hardly like to engage in making mks files work with respect to playing back technisat ts files after VideoReDo processing.

But the Technisat FAQ create the wrong impression that it was not possible to export HD-S2 files for processing by software like VRD and import it back thereafter to HD-S2 for playback on the TV. If I save the VRD results as mpg I can definitely play them back successfully on my HD-S2. The only reason why I created this thread was that I was convinced that it should be possible to re-import successfully a technisat ts file as such after VRD processing.

There is another piece of misinformation in the said FAQ, which does however not concern VRD but which may be of interest to readers of this thread. It is the statement (in a Google translation): “Movie files that do not originate from the DigiCorder can not be played on the DigiCorder or read to the hard disk of the DigiCorder…”
I can very well cut the mov files from my Panasonic digital camera with SUPER or XMedia Recode or TMPGEnc, save the result as mpg and play it back via my HD-S2 (with correct sound and video).

Could anybody enlighten me on the function of such a mks file, which is obviously dispensable in the case of mpg files? Is it just to discourage technisat customers to try some video processing and subsequent re-import?
 
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