TVSuite V-6 Very slow for Quickstream and Add Detective

GAZZA

Member
HI
I have been using VideoRedo since 2003 and it has been absoulutely amazing for our family. I recently upgraded to VideoRedo TVSuite -V6 , and seem to have an issue. I am sure it is probably settings, but I find that it takes for ever to carry out what I was doing with V5. I normally record from TV, and remove all the advertisements. Since I loaded V6, everything appears to run slowly. I always use Quickstream fix, and normally an hour long program takes about 3 - 4 minutes (MAX) to do it's thing. Add Detective normally takes about 7 - 8 minutes to do it's thing for a program an hour long. The quickstream fix now takes around 8 - 9 minutes, and the Add Detective around 15 minutes. Both of them are basically taking twice as long.

I am running Windows 10 Version 20H2, 64 Bit, Intel i-5 6400@2.7Gig, and 8 Gig or Ram. I would appreciate any leads as to what I may be able to change to get the same results as I had with Version 5. I still have a copy of Version 5, but would be a bit disappointed to have to go down that road.
If there is anything else you need to know please let me know
Regards
Gary
 

musicvid

Member
I have tested V5 against V6, and I am unable to duplicate your results across the board, although I have seen some differences with individual sources. With others, QSF is quite a bit faster in V6. There are a lot of good things going on under the hood that weren't present in V5.
 

jmc

Well-known member
Ad Detective can really use a LOT of cores so the speeds here are due to 16/32 cpu.(5950x)

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I dug out VRD5 and it "Ad Detected" a 4 minute dvd.mpg in 10 seconds.
VRD6 did it in-------------------------------------------------------------01 second.

VRD5 - 25 minute H264.mp4 processed in 68 seconds.
VRD6 did it in --------------------------------------11 seconds
 
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GAZZA

Member
Ok , so it looks like I have to ditch Version 6, and return to my Version 5. Bit of a waste of money, for me then. It is a pity that these speeds are not mentioned as a requirement in the write up. Still cannot understand why the old version should be quicker
Thanks.
 

jmc

Well-known member
Ok , so it looks like I have to ditch Version 6, and return to my Version 5. Bit of a waste of money, for me then. It is a pity that these speeds are not mentioned as a requirement in the write up. Still cannot understand why the old version should be quicker Thanks.
I'm not sure what exactly you mean - "speeds are not mentioned as a requirement" ?

A lot of cores are not required.
Just that the fewer the cpu cores the longer an Ad Detect will take.

I don't know why you have VRD6 being so much slower while
I find it to be 6 to 10 times faster then VRD5.

If VRD6 runs at all then it should be faster then VRD5.
There has to be something interfering with VRD6(?)

Hopefully, the Devs will have some idea what might be the reason
and if it is fixable.

EDIT...Just make sure that the Ad Detect setting are exactly the same in VRD5 and VRD6.

I tend to forget to turn "Transitions" OFF in VRD6 and then wondering
why all my audio is getting recoded every time.
Then it finally pops into my head that I forgot to turn it off and I feel so annoyed.

So it is more then just the profile you loaded...
 
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GAZZA

Member
Thanks again for that. I appreciate your input. What is becoming clear for me is that even though I have been using the program since 2003, I know very little of how it works and how to get the most out of it. I understand it is a very powerful program, I have been sitting here for about 4 hours today trying my best to get the "Ad -Detective" to work properly. I have tried every which way ( I copied the help notes) and for the life of me I cannot seem to get it as accurate as it was in "5". I will peservere, and see if I can get things on track. Unfortunately I uninstalled "5" when I installed "6" so what the parameters were for that I cannot remember. You mention "Transitions"? That is new to me. I assume you are talking about Titles and Transitions in the "Options". Mine are currently turned on. I have never had any idea why they should NOT be on?
Thanks again for your help
Regards
 

jmc

Well-known member
Oh, you can have as many versions of VRDs as you like, all installed at the same time.

You just have to install them each in it's own folder with a unique name. I use VRD-"version number"

Also you do not want to try to export/import settings from VRD5 to VRD6. They are too different in Profile formats.
 

GAZZA

Member
HI again jmc
I have installed them both again. They are sitting in a folder each "VideoRedo TVSuite5 and 6. Recorded a program on our "Choice" TV channel, and here are the results
Settings were left on default
TVSuite 5 QSF 30 Seconds
TVSuite 5 Add Detective 1 min 41 Seconds
TVSuite 6 QSF 14 Seconds
TVSuite 6 Add Detective 1 min 6 seconds.
When I edited the projects to remove the advertisments it worked perfectly. Every advert and start of each video clip was perfect. And this is how I remember using it on this TV Channel.
I have attached the Program File information and you will see it is identical.
Later today, I will record another program on our TV1 Channel, and will send you the results, and may have a couple of questions. I have a feeling that this time it may not be as above.
Regards
Gary
 

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GAZZA

Member
I have done another run this time using our main TV channel TV1
All the settings are still default settings (For both 5 and 6)
TVSuite 5 QSF 40 Seconds
TVSuite 5 Add Detective 8 minutes 37 Seconds
TVSuite 6 QSF 32 Seconds
TVSuite 6 Add Detective 8 minutes 56 Seconds
When I carried out the program edit to remove the advertisements, TV Suite 5 had found and cut them perfiectly. TV Suite 6 was 10 seconds out for 3 out of 5 cuts.
As you can see, the TVSuite 6 figures are not an awful lot faster than "5" and not quite as accurate with the adds.
I will try and adjust the Black Level settings again, as per the instructions, but I never had much joy yesterday.
Are there any other settings that I should be looking at to improve the speed. To be honest, I can live with those speeds, if it is not possible, but figured V6 would be faster and more accurate?
Will be interested to hear your thoughts
Regards
Gary
 

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musicvid

Member
I think the ad-detective defaults may have changed a little in version 6. You can set those to match version 5 if you like those better. I am unable to reproduce the "slower" results you first reported, and your own tests seem to rule those out.
Impressions are what they are.
 

GAZZA

Member
"Thanks for that. Yes, on doing some more in depth checking, I must admit there is not much in it as far as the speed goes, and as I said to Dan, I can live with that. My PC is not the fastest one in the world, but it does the job for what I use it for with VRD. The Add-Detective Black Level defaults for 5 and 6 were exactly the same for the tests I carried out in the earler posts, so somehow I have to work on "6" to see if I can get them a little bit more exact. Thanks for your reply. I will have a fiddle with the settings again.
 

Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
If you use interact adscan mode the performance should be identical to v5. It uses the exact same code. The default adscan mode in v6 is the new output adscan which basically creates a log of data for the file and then processes that data to create the cuts. In considers a lot more data points, and has to reload the project when it's done, so it's a tiny bit slower.
 

GAZZA

Member
Thanks Dan ............... Thanks everybody for putting up with my questions. I have solved the Ad -Detective accuracy issue for Version 6 which I noted above.
The default levels were
Average Level 35,
Peak level 180,
Mx Contrast 5,
Min Black Frames 3,
I changed the Max Contrast to 10, and changed the "Detection area" to 5 instead of the default 10.
Ran Ad-Detective on two more TV recordings and it cut out the advertisments EXACTLY in the correct places.
Mission accomplished.
Thanks again.
 

jmc

Well-known member
If you use interact adscan mode the performance should be identical to v5. It uses the exact same code. The default adscan mode in v6 is the new output adscan which basically creates a log of data for the file and then processes that data to create the cuts. In considers a lot more data points, and has to reload the project when it's done, so it's a tiny bit slower.
There must be something I'm missing.
I set both to "Default" and "interactive" and the test results I got had VRD6 six to ten times faster then VRD5 ???

Guessing that "Defaults" for them are very different? May have to do a reinstall of VRD5 and see how that goes.

-----------------------Ryzen 5950x--------------------------------------
VRD5 "Ad Detected" a 4 minute dvd.mpg in 10 seconds.
VRD6 did it in-----------------------------------------01 second.

VRD5 - 25 minute H264.mp4 processed in 68 seconds.
VRD6 did it in --------------------------------------11 seconds
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Thanks,
jmc
 

Dan203

Senior Developer
Staff member
It could be the decoder going a bit faster in v6. Interactive uses the movie window so it's basically working as fast as the movie window can decode the frames and feed them into the algorithm. We are using a new decoder for v6 so maybe that could have an impact. Although 10x seems excessive.
 
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