VRD Pro 6.0 Test Results

[glenpinn]

Hi everyone, i opened this Topic just to trow up some basic testing results for the VRD Pro 6.0, you can add to it if you want.

I have posted the links to the actual files in my cloud storage service that i have tested myself, so you can download them and try them for yourself.

File 1: 4k-50p HEVC h265 MPEG-TS (4.2.2 10bit) @ 71Mbps (provided by member mikla) = https://cp.sync.com/dl/17679e090/et9r59ff-zcv9fuuq-rub5ramk-up4eugm9
this file will not import to VRD at all, may have something to do with the Audio, or the 4.2.2 chroma subsampling, not sure, need clarification on this one.

File 2: 4k-60p HEVC h265 MPEG-TS (4.2.0) @ 51.5Mbps = https://cp.sync.com/dl/2fd9bbe30/4y79haum-vqvbiy2g-tawhqvq8-ajdxsmii
- This file will import to VRD but it is almost impossible to cut/trim the video out, the timeline simply lags like crazy trying to seek, and uses 90% of my CPU and chews up 80% of my 8gb of ram trying to do so, and if i was to try doing a major cut and shut job on this file, i would be here forever.
- Even without cutting, VRD will not output to a 4k or 1080p AVC h264 MP4 file.
- On the 4k output i get "Large Buffer Malloc" error, and on the 1080 output it seems to run ok for a minute or so, then i get the yellow Exclamation ! mark on the output progress box, then VRD crashes.

File 3: 4k-30p AVC h264 MP4 (4.2.0) @ 100Mbps = https://cp.sync.com/dl/c2aebc420/y78yqh79-mszmv928-z75ipcp8-sbih2hx7
- This file will import to VRD and i can cut/trim the video, but the timeline it is still quite laggy seeking out my cut spots, and uses 90% of my CPU and chews up 60% of my 8gb of ram trying to do so.
- It will output to 4k AVC h264 MP4 (with no recode) and 1080 AVC h264 MP4 (with full recode)

File 4: My GoPro 7 4k-60p HEVC h265 MP4 (4.2.0) @ 61Mbps = https://cp.sync.com/dl/68802e7b0/7a8gxzn7-fvtgary7-dx5tjnna-mjk7qgxw
- This file will import to VRD and i can cut/trim the video, but the timeline it is still quite laggy seeking out my cut spots, and uses 90% of my CPU and chews up 60% of my 8gb of ram trying to do so.
- It fails to output to 4k AVC H265 MP4, BUT it will output to 1080 AVC h264 MP4 (full recode)

I don't have a 4k/60p AVC h264 MP4 file to test, but i am sure that would give me the same results as File 3 above.

Unfortunatly i am using my old Dell Precision M400 laptop (quad core with 8gb ram) until my new 17" 6 core Metabox laptop arrives next week, so this may have something to do with the slow and laggy timeline, as well as not outputting those 4k HEVC files properly, but again, i need others to try them on their machines and see what happens.

Remember, i am only testing these 4 files with output to 4k and 1080p AVC h264 MP4 and nothing else, as AVC h264 MP4 is required for playback on my current TV, not sure what file type my new 65" LG LED TV will support as we have not moved into our new townhouse yet to test it out.

Also, i am unable to play files 1, 2 & 4 properly on my M400 laptop as they are 4k/50p and 4k/60p and they just stutter and run in slow motion, due to the graphics not being able to handle the high framerates, but file 3 will play ok as it is only 4k/30p, although it is an AVC h264 file and not HEVC h265 like files 1, 2 & 4.

 

[jmc]

File 2: 4k-60p HEVC h265 MPEG-TS (4.2.0) @ 51.5Mbps

(this is VRD6 Standard 797a)
This is interesting. (Wish the files were 50MB instead of 500)


(6core/12thread 3930 cpu 4.3Ghz, 48gig ram_32G Ramdrive so 16G working) (have to see what happens on my 16/32 threadripper later)
The first time I tried to scroll around to the end it took(EDIT...150) seconds to calm down using 50-96% of cpu.
150 secs to sort out a 100 sec file. Don't want to imagine a 90 minute movie if this is how it's going to go.

After that I guess the important information is stored in ram as it took very little cpu to scroll after that.
Running the coarse scroll slider rapidly back and forth it uses 10% of cpu.
So no problem navigating once it settles down.

Oddly the "fine tune" slider feels MUCH smoother with this mpg HEVC then my normal X264.mp4 or mpg.mpg file while the Coarse Slider was MUCH smoother with the x264.mp4 or mpg.mpg file.
Cpu use was the same...around 10%.

My 1 sec jump button jumps 3 seconds and it only works back not forward. 30sec jump button is ok.
Maxed out the TS Buffer limit and still (Match Source > "Large Buffer Malloc" error.)
Everytime it crashes you have to go through the massive time and cpu use on reload.

VRD says 5sec on one frame and 8sec on the next frame.

Hmm, any kind of edit that does not crash even a Trim And Copy(100MB) will only produce a 3.485 MB file.
The start of the file must be really bad.
A Trim And Copy(100MB) starting at 300 MB worked.

Still can not do anything with the file. I've never worked with 4k before so I don't know where VRD is unhappy.
4K problems or just a corrupt 4K file. Program info says 0.35fps

Size 0.105 GB
Duration 00:00:14.00
Mux type TS Stream
TS mux rate 51.632 Mbps
Null packet rate 0.240 Mbps

Video:
Encoding HEVC VideoStreamID x101
Frame rate 0.35 fps Encoding size 3840 x 2160
Aspect ratio 16:9 Profile Main 10/5.1, High tier
Progressive True Chroma 4:2:0
Bit rate 50.101 Mbps Captioning None found

Audio Stream: 1 (Primary)
Codec AAC Format ADTS
Channels 2.0 Language und
PID x102 PES Stream Id xC1
Sampling rate 48000 Sample size 16 bits


Work in progress...

 

[glenpinn]

@ jmc, where are you located, downloading 500+ MB video files is normal for me in Australia, unfortunately i had no way to cut that File 2 to a smaller size.

Anyway, I would say this new 6.0 version is definitely a work in progress, but i am more fortunate that i don't have to bother with 4k/60p HEVC MPEG-TS files.

At the moment i just need to be able to edit my GoPro 4k/60p HEVC h265 mp4 files and output to 4k/60p AVC mp4 and 1080/60p AVC mp4 to play them on TV, but i still can't get them to output to 4k/60p AVC mp4, which is the issue i had with the older version of Pro.

One thing at least, playing the any 4k/60p files without stuttering wont be an issue for me next week when my new Metabox laptop arrives.

 

[jmc]

@ jmc, where are you located, downloading 500+ MB video files is normal for me in Australia, unfortunately i had no way to cut that File 2 to a smaller size.

Anyway, I would say this new 6.0 version is definitely a work in progress, but i am more fortunate that i don't have to bother with 4k/60p HEVC MPEG-TS files.

At the moment i just need to be able to edit my GoPro 4k/60p HEVC h265 mp4 files and output to 4k/60p AVC mp4 and 1080/60p AVC mp4 to play them on TV, but i still can't get them to output to 4k/60p AVC mp4, which is the issue i had with the older version of Pro.

One thing at least, playing the any 4k/60p files without stuttering wont be an issue for me next week when my new Metabox laptop arrives.

I'm US/Florida AT&T DSL, Max 6Mbps.( I keep reminding myself how much better this is then my old dialup!)

Hmm, When you refer to 4k/60pAVC.mp4 are you talking H.264, X.264 or H.265_HEVC?

Just played with the file on my 16core(only)HT turned off.
My previous message was W7/64 and I got error messages etc.
On the W10/64/1809 I got no error messages at all everything just vanished if I tried to recode.

With a new Load and Scroll...(time to stabilize)
16 cores(total of 16 threads) @3.950 Ghz took over 80sec and used 50-80%, W10/64.
6 cores(total of 12 threads) @4.3 Ghz took 150 sec and used 50-96% W7/64.

Afterwards both took 10% to scroll rapidly as a test.

BUT with W10 I was able to QSF-(it was a mess), and also save off segments.
Which never worked in W7. (except trim/copy)

The QSF never plays any audio.
--------QSF...
Video length: 01:25:09
Video size: 183MB
Output scenes: 1
Video output frames: 1773
Audio output frames: 5196
Processing time (secs): 55
Processed frames/sec: 32.24
Actual Video Bitrate: 0.27 Mbps
PTS underflows: 5196
Video resync frames removed: 9746

Was interesting. Will have to turn my HTs back on and see if that helps or hurts.

 

[glenpinn]

I'm US/Florida AT&T DSL, Max 6Mbps.

Wow, is that the fastest you get there ?

I am on NBN (national broadband netword, newer Tech than ADSL) and we can take unlimited downloads plan @ 24Mbps, 50Mbps or 100Mbps, i have the 50Mbps as i don't do that much downloading, but i do upload a lot of content to my cloud service, and the 6Mbps upload i get is pretty good.

Oddly tho, we waited 5 years to get this new NBN internet, but now it is already old antiquated technology, even countries like Slovakia has a far more advanced internet technology and they can get way faster and more stable service than we get.

 

[Danr]

File 1: I have problems with it, can't open it in VRD, VLC or any other player. Are you sure it's OK?

File 2: There was a problem with the way we calculated the frame rate on this file. Next version of Pro will address it.

File 3: Seems OK here.

File 4: Seems OK here. Speed isn't great.

Why are you working with such high bit rates, there's little advantage to it especially with HEVC which is designed to be twice as efficient as H264.

 

[mikla]

Hi DanR,

the first file is from me. It can be opened in all common players. PotPlayer, KMPlayer or MPC-HC. Try it out.

This is a broadcast file in DVB-S2, HEVC, 8PSK, 10 bit and 4:2:2 chroma in professional transmission. Later with DVB-S2X and possibly 16/32APSK and HEVC the data rates will be lower. Not yet with 8APSK.

I sent more files to glenpinn and he will upload them.

 

[glenpinn]

I can play all files with most video players, VLC, MPC-HC etc

Files 1, 2 and 4 are laggy and stutter tho, because my M400 laptop graphics does not support 50 and 60 fps.

File 3 plays perfectly as it is 4k/30p and my graphics seems to handle it on.

@ DanR ....... Why are you working with such high bit rates, there's little advantage to it especially with HEVC which is designed to be twice as efficient as H264.

The first 3 files are not mine, File 1 was from mikla, the other 2 i got from some website that provides samples for people to download, so i don't know if those are files direct from the camera as they were recorded, i would guess they are, the GoPro file is mine, as it is from the camera.

As far as recording modes and bitrates go, cameras that record in 4k/30p or 4k/60p HEVC h265, the 60 to 75Mbps would be pretty much the standard bitrate from what i have seen from the small number of cameras that are capable of recording HEVS.

Most cameras that record 4k/30p or 4k/60p in AVC h264 (mov or mp4) records at 100 to 150 Mbps as it is not as efficient as h265 so requires the higher bitrate.

My son shoots 4k video on his new Black Magic Pocket Cinema Camera (these are insane cameras btw, but very big) and sometimes he is required to record in one of the ProRes 422 10 bit formats that has a massive 300Mbps or above, and he has to use very expensive SD cards that can record up to 400Mbps.

He did give me some various ProRes files not long ago, but i think i deleted them for some reason, so i have not tested that format out yet.

File 3 is the only one that i can cut (although it is very slow doing so) and output back to 4k/30p AVC as well as recode down to 1080/30p AVC.

File 4 from the GoPro refuses to output to 4k/60p AVC but is fine at 1080/60p AVC, don't know why.

As soon as my new 6 core laptop arrives this week, i will be testing these files again.

 

[glenpinn]

Here is another file from mikla, this time it is a 4k-50p HEVC MP4 h265 4.2.0-8bit @ 50Mbps, just click on the following link, it will open the download page.

Sync | Secure cloud storage that protects your privacy

ln.sync.com

I can import, i can cut albeit very very slowly, and this file reacts to VRD Pro exactly the same way as my GoPro 7 file did.

It will NOT output to 4k/50p AVC h264 mp4, gets the yellow ! mark in the output box, and then i get the box with Large Buffer Malloc, no more memory, and that box would not close from my desktop, so i had to stop VRD from running in task manager.

It WILL output to 1080/50p AVC h264 mp4, it is a 3.5 minute file, it took 10 minutes to recode on my M400 quad core laptop.

 

[glenpinn]

Where is the Cropping tool from the profile presets box, i use that sometimes.

Also, my beta runs out in 16 days, how do i apply my Pro license to stop this, or maybe i should go back to the previous VRD Pro version 5 until this one is sorted.

 

[Danr]

1. The cropping settings are in the same place in V6 as in V5 for VRD Pro. If you're looking for the TVSuite cropping tool in Pro, hold down the shift key when you select a profile to edit and you'll get the TVSuite profile dialog instead of the Pro grid.

2. Until we do a release of V6 (TVS or Pro) all betas expire fairly rapidly. We do this so that users aren't reporting bugs from old versions. Otherwise the first question we have to ask is "which version are your running and if you're not running build xxx, install that and try again".

3. What CPU is in your M400 laptop? Does it support QuickSync or NVenc?

 

[glenpinn]

M4700 laptop CPU is an i7-3740QM with Intel HD4000 integrated graphics + Nvidia Quadro K2000M dedicated graphics, the HD4000 supports QS but i never know what graphics my laptop is using, because from all accounts, the HD4000 should be better than the Quadro graphics,

In my previous version 5 Pro, i never had to press the shift key to get the TV Suite cropping tool, it was always there at the bottom of the Video Tab in the profile output box.
In this Pro, if i press the Shift button as i select the MP4 or Program Stream options, it makes no difference, there is no crop tool.

Why can't the crop tool be placed on the Pro version Video Tab box without the need to press the Shift key.

Also, where is the download link for the last VRD Pro 5 version, i must have deleted my installer and only have 762a.

Finally, what do we do when the Pro 6 trial is over, revert back to the previous version, or you keep issuing a regular updated trial version.

 

[glenpinn]

I now have my 6 core Metabox laptop, with the current 798a beta installed and activated.

As far as re-testing the 4 files above, nothing has changed, i still get the same results as i got before, except the timeline seeking buttons run a bit faster, not as laggy as it was before, but still uses a fair bit of my CPU, so i am glad i don't have to do a lot of cutting with my videos.

Does anyone know why File 1 in my opening post will not open in the new version 6, error gives no "Video Program Stream found"

As for the Crop Tool, if i press the Shift button when selecting an output profile i get the following output box on my screen (looks like the TVSuite profile box) and i have to click on the Crop & Resize button to open the Cropping tool.

I never had to do that in my previous Pro 5.0 versions, never, the option was always there at the bottom of my output profile box, all i had to do was click on a Dialog there and the Crop Tool box would open.



I wish i had a screenshot of how it used to work.